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Post by nitrox on Jun 22, 2015 7:35:59 GMT
So I was wondering- after you choose two creatures in the battlezone with Miraculous Plague's effect, your opponent returns one to his hand and destroys the other one- My question is this- Do these 2 removal actions happen at the same time, or the return-to-hand action, does in fact, happen BEFORE the destroying action?
(Considering that the only the bounce effect happens when there's only a single creature in the zone)
Example scenario, I have a Simian Warrior Grash and Smash Warrior Stagradu in the battlezone, and those two are chosen by a Plague- I return Grash and kill Stag. I'd get the mana kill from Grash's ability if the actions happen at the same time. But not if Grash is returned first.
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Post by Light on Jun 22, 2015 8:55:55 GMT
Choose 2 of your opponent's creatures in the battle zone. Your opponent chooses one of them, puts it into his hand, and destroys the other one. Then choose 2 cards in your opponent's mana zone. Your opponent chooses one of them, puts it into his hand, and puts the other one into his graveyard.
If you go by the rules text, to 'To hand' effect happens first.
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Post by nitrox on Jun 23, 2015 6:58:53 GMT
Well, the last duel I was in, I cast Plague and the opponent argued that in the text-"...puts it into his hand, AND destroys the other one" - There's no "then" instead of "and" so that means the effects happen at the same time.
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Post by trickster on Jun 23, 2015 9:03:29 GMT
LOL! Nitrox :3
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Post by Light on Jun 23, 2015 9:29:16 GMT
Your opponent chooses one of them, puts it into his hand, and destroys the other one.
Read this sentence carefully, the answer is there.
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Post by nitrox on Jun 23, 2015 10:30:37 GMT
So there is indeed a sequence. Okay, thanks for that!
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Post by Rashaskool on Jun 28, 2015 20:33:34 GMT
lol, English. Why you so hard?
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Post by zerovash on Jun 28, 2015 20:37:59 GMT
And yet it is the simplest language around  |
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Post by the_stellar on Jul 3, 2015 8:06:55 GMT
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Post by nitrox on Jul 3, 2015 9:02:28 GMT
Wait, what's wrong about those Mongrel rulings? And oh, I think the last ruling there isn't valid anymore after the reverse substitution thingy was announced.
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Post by the_stellar on Jul 3, 2015 11:39:12 GMT
well, if you have 2 bronze-arm tribes and 1 mongrel man and your opponent casts blizzard of spears, you can actually draw 2 cards(arm tribes dead). i used to think that since all creatures die in the same time and you can't choose the order, you can't draw cards, but it seems i was wrong
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Post by nitrox on Jul 3, 2015 16:17:25 GMT
Yeah, they DO die at the same time and you can't choose the order  But the draw happens BECAUSE they died at the same time, no? |
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Post by zerovash on Jul 3, 2015 17:48:07 GMT
They die at the same time but you are still able to draw as many cards as creatures destroyed (minus Mongrel Man).
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Post by the_stellar on Jul 3, 2015 18:38:49 GMT
yeah i know,it's just i was surprised at first. anyway if you ask me, i think there is no order in plague. it's just when they wrote the effect did not use "then" but "and", so if light suggested the bounce effect is the 1st one,i cannot agree.
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